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Feature factory 2.0
Three separate pieces made the same point: AI made building cheap, and that removed a constraint that used to force teams to prioritize. Casey Winters put it most directly. Code used to be expensive, "so you saved it for the best ideas." Cheaper code didn't come with a new way to prioritize, so teams now "ship too many ideas they shouldn't have" .
Ravi Mehta's fix is a formal curation step. The old feature factory was limited by build cost and kept going because of sunk cost. Now teams can produce more prototypes than customers have attention for . Before production or launch, teams should decide: "Is this worthy of the customer's attention?" . He also argues that PRDs and prototypes should no longer be a fixed handoff. Start with whichever artifact answers your most important open question, and let each one revise the other . On 30-page AI-written PRDs, the test is whether the person who generated it read it and agreed with every assumption before handing it to a team or an agent .
John Cutler's 10-year look back at his feature factory post goes further. Being a feature factory "isn't a 0/1 thing" . Problem statements, metrics and OKRs can be just as empty as feature lists, and promotion-driven development is common at companies that say they focus on outcomes . Sometimes shipping a list of features is the right call. His example is AppFolio, which copied the established features of property-management accounting while making bold bets on customer segments . He argues that escaping the factory is mostly a matter of investment, not mindset: customer and data access, design headcount, and promotion structures all cost money . The decisive moment often comes earlier, when the team is first funded and its business case is set . On AI, he says it amplifies bad habits and gives leverage to good ones. He describes one team whose AI-written PRDs cut out back-and-forth discussion, which he sees as a bad sign .
Agents: context, tools and trust
Hiten Shah tested agents on recurring work and found that context is what fails. Adding 16 competitive-intelligence skills made Claude cite its sources and say what it couldn't verify. It still couldn't tell which competitor changes were new until the skills were connected to shared market history . In another test, Claude in plain chat answered 1 of 5 sales-prep questions. The same prompt in Cowork with web access answered all 5 .
Aakash Gupta defines an agent as a model plus a "harness," the layer that lets it act, remember and stop. He argues that PMs should own the harness behind each AI feature, because it sets what the product "must never do" .
Agent checkout and payment tokens
On an a16z episode, a VGS speaker described Stripe Link completing a purchase at Walmart, where Link had no connection, by using a one-time virtual card. The purchase worked. But the customer's bank saw only a Stripe charge, chargebacks were hard to resolve, and a later Walmart+ upsell failed . Card-network "agentic tokens" pass the customer's own card through a verified agent, which keeps chargeback rules and follow-on purchases working. VGS says it has gone from zero to a few million tokens per week in three months .
Lessons from building a voice AI product
Teresa Torres's episode with Your360 AI covers how the team kept a voice coach on track. They replaced a single prompt with state machines, moved from Retell to LiveKit, and built evals from personas based on failed calls . Those personas are used to regression-test model and provider upgrades . Reasoning models got in the way for voice, where personality has to be traded off against time to first token . The median debrief now runs 44 minutes .
Careers and hiring
- Model PM pay: Gupta had AI pull open listings from 95 company career pages. He reports that model PMs earn a 60% median base-pay premium over PMs outside AI, with a similar gap at mid, senior and staff levels . Of 316 model PMs he reviewed on LinkedIn, 85% were PMs before, 64% have a technical degree and 2% have a PhD .
- Interview loops: One Reddit PM says take-home AI prototyping assignments are now common in hiring loops. When they asked how one would be graded, the only answer was "product sense" .
Slow-burn products
Deb Liu says Facebook Marketplace, now 10 years old, took six years to go from pitch to launch. It launched with a bug that made the New York Times, and it needed several more years to work before reaching more than a billion monthly users . Her point is that such products "don't look sexy in a performance review" .
- Treat feature-factory and outcome-oriented work as a spectrum, not a binary. When trust or familiarity is low, or dependencies are numerous, features may be the practical proxy; sometimes listing and shipping features is the right choice. Problem statements, metrics, and OKRs can also become proxies, while outcome frameworks can turn performative and displace hands-on shaping.
- Moving beyond feature-factory behavior can require structural investment—not just a mindset change—including customer and data access, autonomy, training, design capacity, and promotion incentives. Set an economically grounded rationale, funding/governance, and multi-quarter bets early; changing a feature-led team’s “game” later is difficult. Progress can begin with a small outcome, such as a customer call, one instrumented data point, or one account of whether something worked.
- Actively experiment on work close to cost or revenue when feedback loops are short; where controlled experiments are not feasible, use other imperfect methods to reduce uncertainty rather than expect binary verdicts for every product bet. Longer-horizon work needs conviction informed by data, while guarding against conviction that leads teams to ignore what is happening.
- AI can increase leverage across analytics instrumentation, connecting signals, prototyping, and eliciting feedback, but it can also amplify toxic documentation habits and encourage teams to substitute machine-generated interactions or synthetic personas for customer contact.
- Model PMs build models alongside research and engineering teams. They differ from AI platform PMs, who build tools such as APIs and evaluation tools; AI-native PMs, who build products powered by models; and applied-AI PMs, who add AI features to existing products. Model PMs need enough technical fluency to follow and use model concepts accurately in discussions with researchers and engineers.
- An author-reported scan of open PM listings across 95 company career pages found that model PMs had the highest median posted base pay, with a 60% premium over PMs outside AI; the gap was similar at mid, senior, and staff levels.
- In a review of 316 model PM LinkedIn profiles, 85% had worked as PMs before, 64% had a technical degree, and only 2% had a PhD; the author notes that about one-third lacked a technical degree. PM experience is common, while a technical degree or PhD is not a universal prerequisite.
- Barkley Dai’s route moved from AR to GenAI effects, then growth work at Luma AI and closer work with models; the author describes progressively moving toward models as a common, but not exclusive, path into the role.
- Your 360 AI first validated the product with individuals, then focused most of its effort on organizations with leadership or talent-development functions; organizational deployments often began with cohorts, and some early customers later expanded to all managers or companywide use.
- Rather than building the full end-to-end product first, the team validated an onboarding agent with friendly users, then added feedback collection and workflow, followed by synthesis and the report/debrief experience. Early use exposed needs such as call-drop recovery and support for much longer-than-expected debriefs.
- For voice AI, the team uses state machines but keeps transitions flexible because users may introduce topics out of sequence; it tests the balance between probing deeply and keeping calls manageable. The team also builds failure-case evaluations and checks quality when underlying models or platforms change.
- In sensitive 360 feedback, the team treats accuracy and confidentiality as core product requirements: automated monitoring flags cases for human intervention, and anonymity defaults plus corroboration help protect contributors. Its synthesis process separates structural checks—such as attribution and format—from additional passes to identify missed patterns; recipients see themes progressively in a coached debrief rather than receiving raw transcripts.
- Your360 AI brings interview-based 360 feedback, described as once reserved for the C-suite, to anyone: voice coach Tam leads self-discovery, interviews feedback providers, and guides the recipient through a report debrief, across three calls.
- To keep long voice conversations on track, the team replaced a single prompt with state machines, including transitions between strengths, growth areas, and requested areas; the median debrief is 44 minutes, after an early call exceeded the platform’s 60-minute limit. They moved from Retell to LiveKit for control of the speech-to-text, LLM, and text-to-speech layers.
- Voice-product tradeoffs include balancing personality against time to first token, avoiding reasoning models for voice, and optimizing feedback calls for completion and low friction, including phone calls. Usability testing combines screen recordings with follow-up interviews to compare what users think happened with what actually happened.
- For quality and trust, the team uses personas based on failed calls to regression-test model and provider upgrades, and automatically flags sentiment, customer value, and product quality instead of routinely reviewing transcripts. Critical feedback must be corroborated, provider groups are shown only when there are at least three, and report themes are revealed progressively; the team also weighs observability against sensitive data and uses structural and substantive evaluation to catch mistakes and missed patterns.
Facebook Marketplace illustrates a slow-burn product path: Deb Liu first pitched local community commerce in 2009, tested wishlists and group commerce, received approval to build in 2015, and launched the Marketplace tab in October 2016 . A launch-day bug sent the launch sideways, and the product took several more years after launch to work; it eventually reached more than a billion monthly users . Liu’s lesson for product teams is that “succeed fast or fail fast” is not the only model: the team kept building by tracking stories of people buying and selling and the local transactions happening one at a time .
A durable startup moat is a self-reinforcing advantage, not distribution or execution alone; brand can become a moat over time but usually takes too long to matter for most startups. The four compounding advantages are switching costs (deeper workflow integration supports retention and reinvestment), network effects (more users make the product better and attract more users), scale economies (higher volume lowers unit costs), and data effects (more usage generates data that can improve the product). For evaluating a startup, identify its compounding advantage, gauge its potential strength, and measure whether it is working; seeing no potential for any is a red flag when considering joining.
- Rich Roll’s podcast network addresses established podcasters’ difficulty monetizing without having to run a business themselves: alternatives included negotiating their own deals or joining networks with low CPMs, unsuitable advertisers, and little host agency. The network offers selected podcasters infrastructure and direct brand relationships to help them monetize.
- Rather than relying only on audience-size-based ad rates, the network packages some sponsorships as annual “360 deals,” combining podcast ads with appearances, travel, speaking, and events. Roll says focusing on problems a brand needs solved can build more meaningful partnerships, improve conversion, and reduce advertiser churn.
- The network has chosen a boutique, hands-on approach, prioritizing experienced podcasters who understand its value proposition; after some mismatches in expectations, it planned to scale modestly following a major hire.
A PM starting a role with a “massive” scope asked for coach recommendations and help prioritizing . One commenter advises checking whether the employer has a learning budget, since companies may pay for coaching . Suggested coaches were Rich Mironov (one commenter said he spoke to their product team and called him a visionary) and Dean Peters (another commenter’s favorite) .
On PM career paths, one commenter argues that product roles should generally follow experience in functions such as sales, design, marketing, customer experience, or engineering; a reply notes that people from sales, support, or strategy may know the business but still need tactical and technical guidance .
- Agentic commerce shifts assistants from recommending to transacting once they can access payment credentials: one example agent matched piano tutors to a family’s schedule and booked a first lesson. Wallet utility depends on reach on both sides—consumers who already have credentials there and broad merchant acceptance.
- Checkout design has a meaningful tradeoff: when Stripe Link lacked a Walmart connection, Stripe used a one-time virtual card to complete the purchase, but the customer’s bank saw a Stripe transaction rather than Walmart’s; a subsequent Walmart Plus signup failed because Walmart had the one-time card. Card-network agentic tokens are intended to let a wallet pass a transaction-scoped credential through a verified agent to the merchant, preserving the customer’s card identity, follow-on transactions, and chargeback rules; VGS says provisioning grew from zero to a few million tokens per week in three months.
- Merchant strategies may diverge: the interview attributes Amazon’s blocking of Muse largely to its advertising economics, while Shopify small businesses may see agents as a vital new channel; Walmart had not taken the same step at the time, and merchants may also offer their own agents.
- Agent authorization and liability remain unsettled. Network registration and transaction context help establish that a purchase request is authorized, but the speakers say responsibility is unclear when an agent gets details wrong or hallucinates; agent responsibility is raised as a possibility, not a settled outcome.
Katie Dill argues that AI should do more than make existing work faster: teams can raise the ceiling by having a point of view, encoding their standards into the machine, distinguishing “done” from “good,” and unleashing creativity and artistry.
- Strategy: Test whether a strategy forces trade-offs, whether most team effort and shipped work trace to its choices, and whether its parts form a coherent narrative. It need not cover every user, but product bets should not contradict its rationale.
- Building with AI: A six-level ladder runs from one-off prompts through reusable prompts, skills/connectors, vibe coding, and workflow tools to production software. Aakash recommends using the lowest level that works and moving up only when it breaks; he says L2 is enough for most PM work. His team shipped the same four sites using Claude Code, Codex, Cursor, and DeepSeek.
- AI feature design: Aakash defines an agent as a model plus a harness—the non-model layer that enables action, memory, and stopping—and distinguishes personal, team, company, and feature harnesses. He argues PMs should own feature harnesses because they determine what an AI feature can do, remember, and must not do.
- Model-PM roles and careers: The post distinguishes model PMs, who work with model research teams, from AI platform PMs (tools such as APIs and evals), AI-native PMs, and applied AI PMs. Aakash reports a 60% median base-pay premium for model PMs versus PMs outside AI across listings from 95 company career pages, with a similar gap at mid, senior, and staff levels. In his review of 316 model PM profiles, 85% had been PMs before, 64% had a technical degree, and 2% had a PhD.
- Start with the most important unanswered product decision, then choose the artifact: a concept prototype explores possible directions; a PRD records why to build, success measures, scope, and open questions; design, research, and technical prototypes clarify the intended experience, customer value, and feasibility, respectively.
- Treat PRDs and prototypes as complementary parts of an iterative learning loop, not a linear handoff: feedback may change the rationale, goals, or success measures, and the team should update either or both artifacts as decisions and assumptions evolve. The PRD holds the problem, bet, measures, and non-goals; the prototype makes flows and interactions tangible.
- AI can generate prototypes and long PRDs quickly, but generated details may include unapproved or mistaken decisions and assumptions; review the output and make intentional decisions visible. Add a formal curation step before production or launch: a working prototype is not automatically worthy of customer attention.
Casey Winters argues that Google Discover is undermining its product/market fit by sending half of news links to Threads, which he criticizes as a poor product Google does not own.
AI has made code dramatically cheaper, but it has not replaced the prioritization discipline that code scarcity once enforced; teams can now build nearly everything and risk shipping too many ideas they should have rejected.
In Hiten Shah’s sales-meeting prep test, Claude in basic chat without web access answered 1 of 5 requested items , while the same model and prompt in Cowork with web access answered all 5 . He highlights that AI’s ability to complete a job depends on having the necessary tools and information .
- One PM describes an AI-assisted workflow spanning backlog triage and problem diagnosis, solution and PRD drafting, PM review and approval, prototype generation, a separate model’s adversarial review, and AI-generated acceptance tests, release notes, and post-launch thank-you emails.
- The PM argues that routine work such as standups, weekly reports, and status updates can be automated, but choosing the right plan still depends on human judgment grounded in business fundamentals and product taste.
- A suggested 30-day SWE-to-PM portfolio plan is to interview 5–8 users, compare 3–5 competitors to identify an underserved user or a same-job solution at less than half the cost, then create a PRD and thin working prototype; Claude or Codex can help.
- One PM’s account of China tech roles describes long schedules: 10:30 a.m.–10:30 p.m., five days a week at ByteDance, and 11 a.m.–11 p.m., six days a week for a friend at PDD; these are personal examples, not industry-wide figures.
Hiten Shah frames a potential milestone for local AI as users no longer caring which model does the work—a product signal that the experience may matter more than the underlying model choice .
AI-agent capabilities that Hiten Shah had been running on his own hardware for months are becoming available in products that do not require users to set up their own infrastructure; he framed the next question as deciding what work to give AI to do.
In an audit of hiten.com focused on what might be costing registrations and what to fix first, Hiten found that two Grok bots both passed his checks but fit different jobs: one surfaced immediate homepage and schedule changes, while the other was better for recurring technical checks. He uses this kind of task fit to assess which work agents are useful for and trustworthy to delegate.
- A PM candidate reports encountering AI-prototyping take-home assignments across interview processes, with companies seeking different outputs; one gave only “product sense” as the success criterion, leaving the candidate unclear how performance would be judged.
- A newly hired PM describes having no clear examples or location for existing PRDs, difficulty finding documentation about how the company’s technology works, and no access to a demo environment despite asking IT and a referred contact; they were also expected to create a roadmap for a major initiative.
- One PM says their company has shifted from its original mission toward revenue extraction from existing users, and that UX improvements or reduced friction no longer meet its ROI bar, while the company pursues its first $1 billion in revenue.
What Thirty Years Taught Me About Growth, Open Doors, and Courage
Sometimes the first time you meet someone, you know they are special. A friend of mine, Abby Wen (opens in new tab), mentioned that she was mentoring someone at Facebook who worked in product operations and wanted to move into product management but didn’t know how. She told me about Chloe Shih (opens in new tab), and I offered to meet with her. I don’t recall the details of how we first connected, but she remembers them vividly.
Chloe didn’t wait for a formal introduction. She just pinged me on Work Chat out of the blue once Abby mentioned I was open to chatting with her. Recently, she told me she had debated sending the message and almost didn’t. She assumed I had an assistant safeguarding my calendar and that a message from a random person in another org would go nowhere. But I said yes. Every week, I met with a couple of people who reached out, so it was not out of the ordinary for me, but she prepped for our 1:1 like it was a final-round interview. Her plan was simple: “Don’t waste this woman’s time.”
I remember meeting her, and she laid out her case. She wanted to transition into product management and didn’t know how. I was the head of recruiting for product management, and I often had spots on my team, so I sent her to my recruiting partner to help her navigate the process. She was shocked that I didn’t make her jump through hoops or prove anything.
Recently, I sat down with Chloe on her show, Office Drama (opens in new tab), and she told me that moment meant so much to her. For the first time in her career, she didn’t feel like she had to fight to prove herself to someone to get a chance at her dream. Though that particular role didn’t work out, the feeling that someone believed in her enough to open that door stuck with her as she continued her career.
I loved hearing her side, since I often don’t know what happens after I meet with someone and coach them. For me, meeting with Chloe and giving her a chance was how I saw the world. Our interaction was not an exception, but rather how I want the world to work.
Years ago, when I ran new-hire training for product managers at Facebook, I ended every session with the same message: “Someday you’re going to need a friend. It might be tomorrow. It might be two years from now. Just ping me.”
Soon word got around. People from throughout the company reached out. I always tried to say “yes” if I could make time. Even if it was just 15 or 20 minutes, I wanted my door to stay open. It ended up being one of the best things I did, because it let me meet over a thousand people over the next decade whom I never would have crossed paths with otherwise.
I still keep that door open today. Recently, I returned a call from a Duke founder who had reached out on LinkedIn wanting advice about Y Combinator. This week, I called an acquaintance who wanted my advice on subscriptions and fundraising. I also connected with someone who was facing a difficult career decision while struggling with personal headwinds.
The Journey to Creation
Chloe and I stayed in touch after she left Meta. A few years later, she asked me out for coffee. She brought her copy of Take Back Your Power (opens in new tab) and asked me to sign it. She was a PM at TikTok at the time and had just started creating content on the side. She talked about her dreams of focusing on content.
Over the years, she pursued her dreams one step at a time. She called me during her time at TikTok, and we talked about the intense culture. She persevered and then ended up at Discord. Her video of getting laid off went viral, (opens in new tab) and instead of looking for another day job, she bet on herself.
She went from the safety net of her tech job to creating her own brand, which led to her starring in commercials for the likes of Microsoft and partnering with OpenAI. She didn’t start as an influencer, but life led her there. When she appeared at the Women In Product Conference (opens in new tab) in 2025, she shared the stage with Ami Vora, one of the highlights of the event.
The funny part is that neither Ami nor Chloe thought of themselves as people who had “built a brand.” That was exactly the point. The strongest personal brands aren’t manufactured or built in some idea factory. They come from showing up every single day and connecting in real ways.
Chloe has shown that you can carve your own path. Recently, she invited me on Office Drama (opens in new tab) to talk about 30 years of career lessons in one hour. The person who once pinged me nervously on Work Chat is now a seasoned creator with over 400K subscribers on YouTube.

A few of those lessons:
Lesson 1: Trust First
Chloe asked me why I gave her a chance without vetting her first. I believe in trusting people by default. There are two ways to see the world. Some people say everyone has to prove themselves before they earn your time. Others say you should extend trust and let people rise to the occasion. I am firmly in the second camp.
In my experience, if you give people a chance, 80% to 90% of them will rise to it. So why would you filter out all of those people just to protect yourself from the handful who let you down?
Some people didn’t succeed in the roles I gave them, and when that happened, I helped them find something that fit better. But the ones who thrived often told me how much freedom they felt knowing someone had their back.
Some people are terrible at striving and climbing but incredible when someone trusts them. The missing ingredient in their careers wasn’t talent, but rather someone who would put their trust in them. If you are in a position to open a door for someone, try it. You might be surprised who walks through.
Lesson 2: Define Success Before the World Does It for You
Chloe has a series called 30 Lessons by 30 (opens in new tab), and I recently wrote 50 Lessons I Learned by 50 (opens in new tab). She grouped my lessons into themes, and the first one she pulled out was this: define success before the world defines it for you.
In corporate roles, it is so easy to get on the career treadmill. You want the next thing, whether it is a level up, a higher title, a bigger team, or a larger scope. Then, once you achieve it, there is another rung waiting. Where does it end? My husband jokes that the prize for winning the pie-eating contest is more pie. To what end?
When I started grad school at Stanford GSB, they asked us to write our own obituaries. We were in our 20s, bright-eyed and bushy-tailed, and we had to imagine what our lives would look like at the very end. We didn’t write “Promoted to director at 28,” “Led a team of 250,” or “Increased EBITDA by 10%.” That’s not what shows up in an obituary.
Sometimes when someone posts on LinkedIn about a friend who passed away, I click on the deceased’s LinkedIn page. It feels so cold when it is just a list of titles and dates. Life is so much richer than titles and dates. Life is made of families, friends, passions, and adventures that will never show up as bullet points. If you don’t decide what matters to you, the world will decide for you and make you chase it.
Lesson 3: Know When to Stop Fighting
Like a lot of children of immigrants, I spent much of my career trying to prove something. I wanted to prove that my parents made the right decision coming to America. I wanted to belong to a place that saw them as forever foreigners.
That chip on my shoulder was my rocket fuel. It pushed me to achieve and achieve, but it also made me hard to work with.
Around 2013, our new ad product had finally hit product-market fit. We were expecting incredible growth despite significant headwinds. In a meeting, I made a snarky comment, and afterward Sheryl Sandberg pulled me aside and said, “You can stop fighting now. You’ve won.” (opens in new tab)
I was in my 30s, and I was still fighting every battle as if my survival and identity depended on it. I was combative, competitive, and impatient. I was also hypercompetent, which is probably why people put up with me. But I was the kind of person people dreaded working with.
I now share a framework with people I coach who are in the same place I was. Every manager is quietly calculating your ROI. If your R (return) is high, they will tolerate a lot. But if your I (investment), the cost of working with you, is also high, your total ROI comes down. The moment your results dip, the question becomes whether you are worth the time.
You don’t want people to have to work with you. You want them to want to work with you.
Sheryl’s words forced me to rethink how I worked. I wasn’t leading from a place of abundance and generosity. Instead, I was focused on finding the next success and getting the next win. With the help of an incredible career coach, Katia Verresen (opens in new tab), I learned that when you operate from abundance, your fruits multiply.
It’s not a zero-sum game. You can compete with the people in your field, or you can collaborate with them. When you collaborate, everyone grows and wins together.
Lesson 4: Know Your Playing Field
The first rule in Take Back Your Power (opens in new tab) is to know your playing field. Life isn’t fair, and we are all born with a mix of advantages and disadvantages.
I grew up in a small town in South Carolina, in a state where Asian Americans were less than 1% of the population. But I also grew up with enormous privilege. My parents came to America for college, which meant their own parents could at the very least afford to send them abroad. They graduated from college and became homeowners. They loved each other and gave my sister and me a stable home. It’s easy to forget the advantages we were handed and only see the obstacles.
For women today, most of the overt structural barriers have come down. What remains is a quieter, unconscious bias. McKinsey and Lean In’s research has shown for years that for every 100 men promoted to manager, only about 85 women are. (opens in new tab) Nobody tells those missing women, “You’re not getting promoted because you’re a woman.” They just wonder what’s wrong and don’t understand that the deck is stacked slightly against them.
The same is true in venture capital, where all-women founding teams receive roughly 2% of funding. Even when including mixed-gender teams, the share is less than 20%. Do men have more than 80% of the best ideas? Of course not, but that is the current reality.
This reality is also true of Asian American women in tech. They are the least likely to be promoted. But I don’t believe anyone is sitting in a room deciding against women. It’s about expectations. If you’re an Asian woman, people expect you to be quiet and keep your head down. If you speak up too much, people experience you differently, and that includes other women.
“They’re looking back at you”
Early in my career, before I was a VP, a colleague and I were tasked with fixing a huge company problem. We presented our solution to a room full of VPs who were all white and all male. He was a Black man, and I was an Asian woman. We were addressing a major company problem, but we were also the most junior people in the room. I told my coach how uncomfortable that felt. She said, “Yes, but when you’re looking at them, they’re looking back at you.”
I didn’t understand at first. She explained that they were seeing two highly qualified people who didn’t look like them fixing something critical for the company. That moment, which felt awkward to me, changed the picture of what a problem solver looked like.
Years later, I attended a CEO summit where I was the only woman of color among over two hundred people. But I reminded myself that if I showed up well that year, they would hopefully invite more people like me into the room.
Chloe shared that she feels some of that loneliness. There aren’t many Asian women creators like her, and she often can’t find someone who has walked her exact path. My advice was that trailblazing always feels awkward and lonely. But she is creating a path for those who come next. Millions of nameless women fought their way into rooms long before us, whether the C-suites of male-dominated industries, the top ranks of entertainment, or the forefront of politics. History may not remember their names, but they are the foundation on which we build our careers.
Lesson 5: Some of the Best Things Are Slow Burns
Chloe asked about Facebook Marketplace, which turned 10 this month. I first pitched the idea of local community commerce during my interviews in 2009. I pitched some version of it every year after that. We tested wishlists. We tested groups commerce. Finally, in 2015, I got the green light to start building, and in October 2016 we launched the Marketplace tab.

In my head, I thought the launch was the moment of success. It didn’t turn out that way. A one-in-a-million bug turned our big moment into a New York Times story about drugs, guns, and baby hedgehogs (opens in new tab). It was the culmination of years of work, and it went sideways on day one.
I’ve called Marketplace a four-year overnight success. The truth is, it took several years after launch to really work, and the road to growth was difficult. Eventually, we announced that more than a billion people were using it each month.
Tech loves to “succeed fast or fail fast.” Marketplace was neither. It was a slow burn, and slow burn products aren’t usually popular at tech companies. They don’t move metrics or show some meteoric rise in usage. They don’t look sexy in a performance review while you’re grinding. Chloe was dinged in a review at a previous company for championing a feature that took years to catch on and that people now use every day. Success looks easy in hindsight, but it can be an exhausting climb on the way up.
What kept us going was the signal underneath the noise. We heard stories of people who were buying and selling on the platform. Local commerce was happening one transaction at a time, so each year we earned one more to keep building until we succeeded.
Today, my son tells me Marketplace is the main reason his college friends are on Facebook. That is a huge compliment.
Open the Door
When I think back on that first Work Chat message from Chloe, I am surprised at how small it seemed, but also at how much courage it must have taken her. Now, years later, she is the one inviting me onto her show, and I am the one learning from her journey.
Keep your door open, and make time to help others. Trust that the time you invest is worthwhile. My ask for you this week: think of one person who reached out to you and is still waiting for a reply. Give them 15 minutes. You never know where it will lead.
Thank you, Chloe, for having me on Office Drama! You can watch our full conversation, “30 Years of Career Advice in 1 Hour,” here (opens in new tab).
Facebook Marketplace illustrates a slow-burn product path: Deb Liu first pitched local community commerce in 2009, tested wishlists and group commerce, received approval to build in 2015, and launched the Marketplace tab in October 2016 . A launch-day bug sent the launch sideways, and the product took several more years after launch to work; it eventually reached more than a billion monthly users . Liu’s lesson for product teams is that “succeed fast or fail fast” is not the only model: the team kept building by tracking stories of people buying and selling and the local transactions happening one at a time .
